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halloween
Thanks to everyone for their interest and input into the whole expulsion from Sitting Frog situation. The comments seem to have run their course and gotten far afield from the original issue though, and for that reason I will be closing the comments on that particular entry soon. It looks like a couple people still have an unfinished conversation going on and I don't want to cut anyone off so I'll leave the entry open to comments for at least another day or two.

While I appreciated everyone's input on things like the ass pic and jerkoff tanka, they really don't concern me and have become distractions from the issue at hand. All I have stated so far is that I was kicked out of the Sitting Frog Sangha for asking the self proclaimed "abbot" to make documentation of his ordination and Dharma transmission available for examination. In a single email he stated that he would be removing all reference to myself and my artwork from his various web pages for asking, and at the same time promised to forward the address of his place of training in Japan for verification of his claims. The removal of all reference to me from his blog happened within the hour, yet I'm still waiting for the address, or any proof of ordination or Dharma transmission for that matter.

People have asked why I care and that is a fair question that I will now address. Myself and others associated with the Hoodie Monks have donated money and materials to Barry for use in the creation of an inner city training center to be called Daihizan Jigen-ji. It appears that there may have been misrepresentation on Graham's part involved in obtaining support for this project. Nothing was ever done to bring it to fruition, it has been suspended, and I'm left answering to people about where their money went. I simply asked Mr. Graham to back up his claim of Dharma transmission to alleviate the doubts that had been beginning to grow in my mind about his behavior and manner of teaching, so that I could continue in good conscience my association with SFZS, assure backers that I sent his way that all was well, and consider his request to study the Shingon teachings with me as his teacher.

His reaction was to not only cut off all contact with me, but to start rumors that I am no longer a monk and that I am a convicted felon, while at the same time leveling outrageously false charges against Ven. Kobutsu, who has been remarkably generous and kind to Mr. Graham. These claims are simply not true. I am very much still a monk in good standing with my teacher, ryuha, and the Shingon school here in Japan. I have never been charged with or convicted of a crime here in Japan or any other country. His claims against Ven. Kobutsu have been thoroughly discredited at http://www.engaged-zen.org/Kobio2.html.

I let these false accusations go without comment when he posted them the first time, apparently clever enough not to name me directly in charges that he knew to be untrue. Now that these charges have been repeated on Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Barry_Graham_(author)&oldid=275057461), naming Ven. Kobutsu and myself directly, either by Mr. Graham hiding behind the anonymous internet, or by someone influenced by his intentionally false post, I feel the need to respond, as well as answer the question of why I asked to see his transmission papers in the first place.

So there it is. I became suspicious of a person that I had provided financial and material backing to, and asked him to show the credentials that he claimed to have. His response was to cut off all contact with me while attempting to smear my name, and that of the teacher that had rejected him, in the process. Considering Mr. Graham's unfulfilled promise to provide proof of Dharma transmission, or even the most basic monk's ordination, coupled with his personal and untrue attacks on myself and Ven. Kobutusu as a result of my asking, I am lead to only one conclusion...Barry Graham obtained our support through false claims and it is highly unlikely that he is even an ordained member of the Buddhist Sangha.

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(Anonymous)
Mar. 5th, 2009 07:56 am (UTC)
the controversy
Dogo must be a fake,or there would be no doubt he would be displaying his credentials proudly and openly for everyone to see.Or he would at the very least have easy access to his credentials available for anyone who would enquire.
gillan
Mar. 5th, 2009 01:12 pm (UTC)
Wow.

So I've just been watching your journal because I was interested in what you were doing. I didn't even know you were affiliated with Graham. I'm not gonna go into details, but this isn't the first time I've heard of him doing sketchy things.

Good luck, man.
(Anonymous)
Mar. 5th, 2009 11:29 pm (UTC)
Sketchy things
Like him being stalked by your crazy ex girlfriend!
gillan
Mar. 5th, 2009 11:36 pm (UTC)
Re: Sketchy things
Wow. I didn't even know I registered on your radar, Mr. Graham. That is really, really creepy.
michimusic
Mar. 5th, 2009 02:04 pm (UTC)
PS
You know you can edit Wikipedia, right?
pookieyamamama
Mar. 5th, 2009 10:13 pm (UTC)
wow. i found you through barry graham. i continue to follow you even he eradicated me from his friends list and blocked my comments a year ago. ... and all i did was begin the type of open minded conversation that he always seemed to encourage.
i was flabbergasted to say the least. stunned at his close minded behavior and have not cared to follow him since... even if i could ...

i do, however, care to follow you.

i was suspect of his motives from the start. his energy never felt 'clean'. you, however, have always had the energy of the calm universe. namaste friend.

i'm shocked that he tried to discredit Ven.
Kobutsu as well.

Edited at 2009-03-05 10:14 pm (UTC)
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gomyo
Mar. 5th, 2009 11:47 pm (UTC)
Re: Why are you lying Gomyo?
If you don't want to be a Buddhist, you shouldn't be one.
If you would like answers to your questions don't ask them anonymously.
I had enough of the anonymous comments last time. Anonymous comments will be screened from this point, but as always, those willing to be open about at least their online identity will be allowed to say what they like. Name calling isn't usually tolerated so don't be surprised if comments like the one above are deleted in the future.
searchingway
Mar. 6th, 2009 11:16 pm (UTC)
Re: Why are you lying Gomyo?
I'm being anonymous because he doesn't want us to defend him

This is an extremely dysfunctional manner of thinking that produces words that are in my opinion very cruel and hurtful. Your actions cause harm. I hope that you can use your speech, mind and body to alleviate the suffering of sentient beings and not to contribute to the suffering in the world. There is not any excuse for causing harm.

Gassho,
Peter

zhengjin
Mar. 6th, 2009 03:29 am (UTC)
Compassion
This whole thing blew up about a month ago very shortly after I resigned as a teacher in SFZS. I was a teacher because Barry ordained me as such. After watching all of this go down I wonder am I really ordained (http://the-urban-monk.livejournal.com/570069.html).By the way the beautiful rakusu I was presented was donated by Kobutsu. I performed Barry's wedding, People that know me and know what's going on here ask me if he's really married. All I can do is shrug my shoulders.I understand that soon Barry will be giving transmission to a monk that has recently started studying with him. Will this person have any legitimacy? Will his future students find them selves in the same confusion that many are experiencing now? If Barry is really compassionate he'll clear this up now.
zhengjin
Mar. 6th, 2009 04:12 am (UTC)
Re: Compassion
awarrenfells
Mar. 6th, 2009 04:50 am (UTC)
(sorry, forgot to login before I posted, you can remove the other anonymous one.)

It has been my experience that those with the most to hide, tend to lash out the loudest when questioned, or accused. Seems that Barry is no different in this case, as not even a decent rebuttle of an answer or response could have been provided.
(Anonymous)
Mar. 6th, 2009 05:06 pm (UTC)
How does a person get in touch with you privately?
gomyo
Mar. 6th, 2009 08:44 pm (UTC)
Contact information is available at hoodiemonks.org.
flamingnerd
Mar. 18th, 2009 10:11 am (UTC)
Wow. This is surprising... but kinda not.

I'd interacted with Barry >1yr ago when I was just getting into Zen. I feel sorry for him for putting himself in this position, but think you're doing the right thing.

Lately I've been thinking about how people who think they're bad, do bad things. I'm no stranger to PTSD, so... sigh. Hope he finds his way and doesn't do too much damage in the meantime.
(Anonymous)
Mar. 20th, 2009 10:23 am (UTC)
Why I left the Sitting Frog
http://ushiiro-geri.livejournal.com/tag/barry+graham
(Anonymous)
Mar. 22nd, 2009 02:23 pm (UTC)
For the Public Record
http://ushiiro-geri.livejournal.com/3386.html
ushiiro_geri
Mar. 22nd, 2009 09:01 pm (UTC)
I came over to check out the new comments and I see someone referenced my blog -- but they neglected this one:
http://ushiiro_geri.livejournal.com/tag/soto+zen+buddhism+international+center
shvnheadbigbely
Mar. 28th, 2009 12:37 am (UTC)
Lineage Question, question of valid dharma transmission
shvnheadbigbely
Mar. 28th, 2009 04:18 pm (UTC)
update
I have not been told I am not a member of The Sitting Frog Sangha-More on Genpo Merzel, Roshi
http://buzfree.livejournal.com/31321.html

Well, that did not take long
http://buzfree.livejournal.com/31529.html

Emails
http://buzfree.livejournal.com/31810.html
shvnheadbigbely
Mar. 29th, 2009 04:37 am (UTC)
Re: Lineage Verification From: "AZTA office"
http://ushiiro-geri.livejournal.com/5530.html

Re: Lineage Verification From: "AZTA office"

[info]ushiiro_geri
March 28th, 15:37

Re: Lineage Verification
Saturday, March 28, 2009 7:43 AM
From: "AZTA office" <office@americanzenteachers.org>

To: "James Atkerson" <jamesa2u@yahoo.com>

Dear Chugai/James

As far as I can see - with the help of other AZTA zen teachers - Dogo is not what he told you. There seem to be no Ando Yamashiro Roshi or Butsudo Zen Center. I personally know Kobutsu, so I believe whatever he would say about the matter.

This unfortunately means that your jukai is officially invalid (but it could of course have meaning for you).

Zen teachers go incommunicado either because questions put to them are too ridiculous, or they have something to hide. In this case probably the latter.

I recommend those searching for a legitimate teacher to look at the American Zen Teachers Association's website. Here you have some good questions to put to a possible teacher: http://americanzenteachers.org/membership.html and you have a list of properly acknowledged and trained zen teachers: http://americanzenteachers.org/AZTAlist.php

On behalf of AZTA
Denko John Mortensen




James Atkerson wrote:
> Hello,
> I am Chugai AKA James Atkerson here:
>
> I have a quandry I'm trying to solve -- as to whether or not my jukai stands ---
> recently my teacher, Dogo Nanshin Barry Graham, has been under scrutiny as to the legitimacy of his claims of Dharma Transmission. I won't detail it here but you can read this blog --

http://gomyo.livejournal.com/
look for the entry -- It's a Riddle -- 02/03 and another entitled Comment on the Comments 03/05
>
> and this one http://the-urban-monk.blogspot.com/ look for Zen Soap Opera is the Bubbliest 02/03
>
> My teacher has gone incommunicado on the subject ...
> So I'm on my own ...
> However I'm wondering if you know of his reported monastery or teacher, Butsudo Zen Center in Kyoto, Japan, where he allegedly received Dharma Transmission from Ando Yamashiro Roshi. He has stated it is a Soto lineage. I can not find anything on either of the subjects but I am limited to english language sites.
> Thank you in advance for any help you might provide,
> peace and gassho, Chugai
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I'm a Buddhist priest living in Japan. Also a muralist and calligrapher, as well as essayist.

I was the first non-Japanese to be given Dharma Transmission in the Omuro School of Shingon Buddhism.

Became a Shikoku Pilgrimage Temple Association Sendatsu (Pilgrim Guide) in December of 2006.
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